Actors Lolly Adefope and E.R. Fightmaster (Shrill) must determine if a fact is about Dolly Parton, the Dalai Lama... or BOTH?
OPHIRA EISENBERG, HOST:
Our next two guests are both very funny people, E.R. Fightmaster and comedian Lolly Adefope. They play a couple on the show "Shrill," and the series is in its third and final season on Hulu. Lolly, E.R. - welcome to ASK ME ANOTHER.
LOLLY ADEFOPE: Hi.
E R FIGHTMASTER: Hi.
EISENBERG: We have some great games for you. But before we get to that, Season 3 of "Shrill" is out right now. Was it a different feeling on the set?
FIGHTMASTER: It felt a little COVID-y (ph).
EISENBERG: (Laughter) Did it feel COVID-y?
ADEFOPE: It was COVID-y. It was very masked - fully masked. But we didn't know that it was the final season when we were doing it. So it was - that was kind of nice, I think, because I think I would've just been crying every day about the people I wasn't going to be able to see again.
ADEFOPE: But it was, like, just as fun, I think, as all of the other seasons, just with added masks and swabs in your nose three times a week.
EISENBERG: Oh, swabs.
JONATHAN COULTON, HOST:
(Laughter) Yeah, right.
EISENBERG: Oh, nice.
ADEFOPE: Yeah. And COVID tests as well.
EISENBERG: I know. Who doesn't love a little pre-show swab. Where's my ritual? So in the final season of "Shrill," when you think about your characters, Fran and Em's future together, what do you wish for them?
FIGHTMASTER: I hope they both find a really cool apartment, and they make it work for, like, three years...
FIGHTMASTER: ...While they make each other better people.
FIGHTMASTER: And then they break up, but they continue to work together on a really important kind of international project.
FIGHTMASTER: And then...
ADEFOPE: I think they'll get back together when they're old.
FIGHTMASTER: That's exactly what I was going for.
ADEFOPE: Yeah. Yeah.
FIGHTMASTER: They date other people, and, like, they get back together when they're, like, in their 40s, and they're even hotter.
EISENBERG: I love it. I love it. We have some great games for you.
EISENBERG: So in this game, you're going to be taking turns. And the game is called "Dolly Parton or Dalai Lama?" We are going to say a fact, and you just need to tell us - is it about Dolly Parton or the spiritual leader of the Tibetan people, the Dalai Lama?
FIGHTMASTER: OK. And you're saying two different names right now?
EISENBERG: Oh, yes. Dolly Parton or Dalai Lama.
FIGHTMASTER: OK, now I heard it.
EISENBERG: Right. It's two different spiritual leaders.
EISENBERG: Lolly, this first one is for you. The story goes, their birth was paid for with a sack of oatmeal. Dalai Lama, Dolly Parton or both?
ADEFOPE: Dolly Parton.
EISENBERG: Yes, that is correct.
ADEFOPE: Thank you.
EISENBERG: Yes, her family couldn't afford to pay the medical bills for her birth, so the father paid the doctor with a sack of oatmeal.
ADEFOPE: Also, is it oatmeal, or is it oats? 'Cause if it's oatmeal, then that feels, like, wet.
FIGHTMASTER: Yeah, it's already cooked.
COULTON: Their greatest fear is being eaten by a shark - Dolly Parton, Dalai Lama or both?
FIGHTMASTER: I don't think Dolly Parton would be afraid of that. She's too brave. Dalai Lama.
COULTON: Dalai Lama - you are correct.
FIGHTMASTER: Oh, whoa.
COULTON: Yeah. In an interview with...
COULTON: ...The British newspaper The Telegraph, Dalai Lama revealed that he never learned how to swim. And he worries that, were he in a plane crash over the ocean, he would get eaten by a shark.
FIGHTMASTER: I mean, yeah.
ADEFOPE: Wait - so you think that someone who's afraid of sharks is not brave?
FIGHTMASTER: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I personally - I'm a coward. I'm a coward. I'm fully afraid of sharks. I went out into the ocean, and I thought that my friend had swam underneath me and tried to pull my legs out from under me. And so I turned around to, like, punch him, obviously.
FIGHTMASTER: And there was no one anywhere near me. And I realized that it was a fish with the strength of a human man that had swam through my legs. And I thought - it was so large, I thought it was a 6-foot-tall man who grabbed my legs.
FIGHTMASTER: And the way that I panicked and did not recover was like - I ruined a whole trip.
COULTON: That is pretty freaky.
COULTON: That is pretty freaky.
FIGHTMASTER: Thank you.
COULTON: What do you think it was?
FIGHTMASTER: So that's my trauma.
ADEFOPE: What if it was, like, an old suitcase?
EISENBERG: Just floating around?
ADEFOPE: And you were in the...
FIGHTMASTER: Now I'm kind of, like, looking back, and I'm like, it could have been an old suitcase.
EISENBERG: There's a lot of those. Where were you, Florida? Where were you?
FIGHTMASTER: There was a little suitcase tag.
FIGHTMASTER: This is so embarrassing.
EISENBERG: Lolly, who has their own smartphone app - Dolly Parton, Dalai Lama or both?
ADEFOPE: I'm going to say both.
EISENBERG: You are correct.
EISENBERG: Absolutely. Dolly Parton has multiple apps. She has a fitness app. The other one is for the amusement park, Dollywood. The Dalai Lama has information and updates about the Dalai Lama.
EISENBERG: I'd feel really bad turning off my Dalai Lama notifications. That would be...
COULTON: Come on, Dalai Lama.
EISENBERG: That's enough.
EISENBERG: I get it. I get it. Peace, inner peace - blah, blah, blah.
COULTON: All right, E.R. This is for you.
COULTON: Released an album that debuted on the Billboard charts - was that Dolly Parton, Dalai Lama or both?
FIGHTMASTER: I have to say it's Dolly Parton, but I wish it was both.
COULTON: It actually is both.
FIGHTMASTER: Wow. Wow.
FIGHTMASTER: Screwed myself. Deduct a point because I didn't trust my gut.
EISENBERG: We've never been asked by someone to deduct a point for them not believing in themselves.
FIGHTMASTER: I need to learn a lesson.
FIGHTMASTER: This is internalized homophobia, and I'm getting it out.
COULTON: Yeah, so Dalai Lama had a - it was his debut studio album. It was called "Inner World." It was released on his 85th birthday in 2020.
COULTON: And it is the first time a Dalai Lama has released recorded music.
EISENBERG: If you've listened to it, he plays drums.
FIGHTMASTER: Oh, wow.
COULTON: Yeah, it's all funny parody songs. It's like a Weird Al album, basically.
EISENBERG: Only he could do it. Lolly, repairs watches as a hobby - Dolly Parton, Dalai Lama or both?
ADEFOPE: Dalai Lama.
EISENBERG: Yes, exactly.
ADEFOPE: Thank you.
EISENBERG: Yes, he is both a watch collector and dabbles with watch repair.
ADEFOPE: I can imagine it's very peaceful, so that fits the vibe.
FIGHTMASTER: Sounds like torture.
ADEFOPE: Yeah, yeah.
EISENBERG: That's exactly...
FIGHTMASTER: It's a punishment.
COULTON: All right, this is the last one. It's for you, E.R. They once entered a lookalike contest and lost - Dolly Parton, Dalai Lama or both?
FIGHTMASTER: It - first of all, this is for 10 points. Second of all...
COULTON: All right, allowed.
FIGHTMASTER: ...It had to be both of them, and it had to be together.
COULTON: Same look-alike contest. They entered the same look-alike contest, you're saying.
FIGHTMASTER: That's my serious - that it was, like, some kind of late-night host thing.
ADEFOPE: Dolly entered it for the Dalai Lama, and she lost.
FIGHTMASTER: Yes. And they're like...
EISENBERG: Oh, that'd be great.
FIGHTMASTER: ...They're like, no, actually, it's super problematic you did that. They were both in on it. That's my honest guess.
COULTON: That's your answer? OK. Actually, in this case, it was Dolly Parton. It was not both.
FIGHTMASTER: This - I actually hate this show. And I hate...
COULTON: OK. That's fair.
FIGHTMASTER: ...And I'm not really vibing with anybody that I'm looking at on this show, so...
COULTON: And more specifically, this was a drag queen celebrity look-alike competition.
ADEFOPE: Oh, yeah. I did hear about that.
FIGHTMASTER: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, that one.
COULTON: She was out Dolly Partoned (ph) by somebody.
COULTON: Which is fantastic.
EISENBERG: Is it problematic that I want to see a Dalai Lama drag competition? Is that problematic to say?
FIGHTMASTER: No, I think it would be problematic to be like, I don't want to see that at all.
ADEFOPE: Yeah, yeah.
FIGHTMASTER: Yeah, like, if that was something he wanted to host, I would - and you were like, no...
FIGHTMASTER: ...Actually, I have to....
ADEFOPE: Yeah. Or he didn't even bring it up and you're just like, I don't want to see that.
EISENBERG: All right. You both did great.
FIGHTMASTER: No, Lolly did.
EISENBERG: You both did fantastic. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.