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Dolly Parton, Dalai Lama Or Both?

May 28, 2021

Actors Lolly Adefope and E.R. Fightmaster (Shrill) must determine if a fact is about Dolly Parton, the Dalai Lama... or BOTH?

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OPHIRA EISENBERG, HOST:

Our next two guests are both very funny people, E.R. Fightmaster and comedian Lolly Adefope. They play a couple on the show "Shrill," and the series is in its third and final season on Hulu. Lolly, E.R. - welcome to ASK ME ANOTHER.

LOLLY ADEFOPE: Hi.

E R FIGHTMASTER: Hi.

EISENBERG: We have some great games for you. But before we get to that, Season 3 of "Shrill" is out right now. Was it a different feeling on the set?

FIGHTMASTER: It felt a little COVID-y (ph).

EISENBERG: (Laughter) Did it feel COVID-y?

ADEFOPE: It was COVID-y. It was very masked - fully masked. But we didn't know that it was the final season when we were doing it. So it was - that was kind of nice, I think, because I think I would've just been crying every day about the people I wasn't going to be able to see again.

FIGHTMASTER: Yeah.

ADEFOPE: But it was, like, just as fun, I think, as all of the other seasons, just with added masks and swabs in your nose three times a week.

EISENBERG: Oh, swabs.

JONATHAN COULTON, HOST:

(Laughter) Yeah, right.

EISENBERG: Oh, nice.

ADEFOPE: Yeah. And COVID tests as well.

(LAUGHTER)

EISENBERG: I know. Who doesn't love a little pre-show swab. Where's my ritual? So in the final season of "Shrill," when you think about your characters, Fran and Em's future together, what do you wish for them?

FIGHTMASTER: I hope they both find a really cool apartment, and they make it work for, like, three years...

ADEFOPE: Yeah.

FIGHTMASTER: ...While they make each other better people.

ADEFOPE: Yes.

FIGHTMASTER: And then they break up, but they continue to work together on a really important kind of international project.

ADEFOPE: Yes.

(LAUGHTER)

FIGHTMASTER: And then...

ADEFOPE: I think they'll get back together when they're old.

FIGHTMASTER: That's exactly what I was going for.

ADEFOPE: Yeah. Yeah.

FIGHTMASTER: They date other people, and, like, they get back together when they're, like, in their 40s, and they're even hotter.

ADEFOPE: Yeah.

EISENBERG: Right.

(LAUGHTER)

EISENBERG: I love it. I love it. We have some great games for you.

ADEFOPE: Yes.

FIGHTMASTER: Woo-hoo.

EISENBERG: So in this game, you're going to be taking turns. And the game is called "Dolly Parton or Dalai Lama?" We are going to say a fact, and you just need to tell us - is it about Dolly Parton or the spiritual leader of the Tibetan people, the Dalai Lama?

FIGHTMASTER: OK. And you're saying two different names right now?

ADEFOPE: (Laughter).

EISENBERG: Oh, yes. Dolly Parton or Dalai Lama.

FIGHTMASTER: OK, now I heard it.

COULTON: (Laughter).

EISENBERG: Right. It's two different spiritual leaders.

(LAUGHTER)

EISENBERG: Lolly, this first one is for you. The story goes, their birth was paid for with a sack of oatmeal. Dalai Lama, Dolly Parton or both?

ADEFOPE: Dolly Parton.

EISENBERG: Yes, that is correct.

ADEFOPE: Thank you.

EISENBERG: Yes, her family couldn't afford to pay the medical bills for her birth, so the father paid the doctor with a sack of oatmeal.

ADEFOPE: Also, is it oatmeal, or is it oats? 'Cause if it's oatmeal, then that feels, like, wet.

FIGHTMASTER: Yeah, it's already cooked.

ADEFOPE: Yeah.

(LAUGHTER)

COULTON: Their greatest fear is being eaten by a shark - Dolly Parton, Dalai Lama or both?

FIGHTMASTER: I don't think Dolly Parton would be afraid of that. She's too brave. Dalai Lama.

COULTON: Dalai Lama - you are correct.

FIGHTMASTER: Oh, whoa.

EISENBERG: Yeah.

COULTON: Yeah. In an interview with...

FIGHTMASTER: Huge.

COULTON: ...The British newspaper The Telegraph, Dalai Lama revealed that he never learned how to swim. And he worries that, were he in a plane crash over the ocean, he would get eaten by a shark.

FIGHTMASTER: I mean, yeah.

ADEFOPE: Wait - so you think that someone who's afraid of sharks is not brave?

(LAUGHTER)

FIGHTMASTER: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I personally - I'm a coward. I'm a coward. I'm fully afraid of sharks. I went out into the ocean, and I thought that my friend had swam underneath me and tried to pull my legs out from under me. And so I turned around to, like, punch him, obviously.

EISENBERG: Yeah.

FIGHTMASTER: And there was no one anywhere near me. And I realized that it was a fish with the strength of a human man that had swam through my legs. And I thought - it was so large, I thought it was a 6-foot-tall man who grabbed my legs.

EISENBERG: Whoa.

COULTON: Man.

FIGHTMASTER: And the way that I panicked and did not recover was like - I ruined a whole trip.

(LAUGHTER)

ADEFOPE: Wow.

EISENBERG: Allowed.

COULTON: That is pretty freaky.

EISENBERG: Yeah.

COULTON: That is pretty freaky.

FIGHTMASTER: Thank you.

COULTON: What do you think it was?

FIGHTMASTER: So that's my trauma.

ADEFOPE: What if it was, like, an old suitcase?

(LAUGHTER)

EISENBERG: Just floating around?

ADEFOPE: And you were in the...

FIGHTMASTER: Now I'm kind of, like, looking back, and I'm like, it could have been an old suitcase.

(LAUGHTER)

EISENBERG: There's a lot of those. Where were you, Florida? Where were you?

FIGHTMASTER: There was a little suitcase tag.

(LAUGHTER)

FIGHTMASTER: This is so embarrassing.

EISENBERG: Lolly, who has their own smartphone app - Dolly Parton, Dalai Lama or both?

ADEFOPE: I'm going to say both.

EISENBERG: You are correct.

FIGHTMASTER: Yeah.

EISENBERG: Absolutely. Dolly Parton has multiple apps. She has a fitness app. The other one is for the amusement park, Dollywood. The Dalai Lama has information and updates about the Dalai Lama.

ADEFOPE: Wow.

EISENBERG: I'd feel really bad turning off my Dalai Lama notifications. That would be...

ADEFOPE: Yeah.

(LAUGHTER)

COULTON: Come on, Dalai Lama.

EISENBERG: That's enough.

COULTON: Mute.

EISENBERG: I get it. I get it. Peace, inner peace - blah, blah, blah.

(LAUGHTER)

COULTON: All right, E.R. This is for you.

FIGHTMASTER: OK.

COULTON: Released an album that debuted on the Billboard charts - was that Dolly Parton, Dalai Lama or both?

FIGHTMASTER: I have to say it's Dolly Parton, but I wish it was both.

COULTON: It actually is both.

FIGHTMASTER: Wow. Wow.

EISENBERG: Yep.

FIGHTMASTER: Screwed myself. Deduct a point because I didn't trust my gut.

(LAUGHTER)

EISENBERG: We've never been asked by someone to deduct a point for them not believing in themselves.

COULTON: Yeah.

FIGHTMASTER: I need to learn a lesson.

EISENBERG: Yeah.

FIGHTMASTER: This is internalized homophobia, and I'm getting it out.

(LAUGHTER)

COULTON: Yeah, so Dalai Lama had a - it was his debut studio album. It was called "Inner World." It was released on his 85th birthday in 2020.

ADEFOPE: Wow.

COULTON: And it is the first time a Dalai Lama has released recorded music.

(LAUGHTER)

EISENBERG: If you've listened to it, he plays drums.

FIGHTMASTER: Oh, wow.

COULTON: Yeah, it's all funny parody songs. It's like a Weird Al album, basically.

(LAUGHTER)

EISENBERG: Only he could do it. Lolly, repairs watches as a hobby - Dolly Parton, Dalai Lama or both?

ADEFOPE: Dalai Lama.

EISENBERG: Yes, exactly.

ADEFOPE: Thank you.

COULTON: (Laughter).

EISENBERG: Yes, he is both a watch collector and dabbles with watch repair.

ADEFOPE: I can imagine it's very peaceful, so that fits the vibe.

FIGHTMASTER: Sounds like torture.

ADEFOPE: Yeah.

(LAUGHTER)

EISENBERG: Yeah.

ADEFOPE: Yeah, yeah.

EISENBERG: That's exactly...

FIGHTMASTER: It's a punishment.

COULTON: All right, this is the last one. It's for you, E.R. They once entered a lookalike contest and lost - Dolly Parton, Dalai Lama or both?

FIGHTMASTER: It - first of all, this is for 10 points. Second of all...

COULTON: All right, allowed.

FIGHTMASTER: ...It had to be both of them, and it had to be together.

EISENBERG: Oh.

COULTON: Same look-alike contest. They entered the same look-alike contest, you're saying.

FIGHTMASTER: That's my serious - that it was, like, some kind of late-night host thing.

ADEFOPE: Dolly entered it for the Dalai Lama, and she lost.

FIGHTMASTER: Yes. And they're like...

(LAUGHTER)

EISENBERG: Oh, that'd be great.

FIGHTMASTER: ...They're like, no, actually, it's super problematic you did that. They were both in on it. That's my honest guess.

COULTON: That's your answer? OK. Actually, in this case, it was Dolly Parton. It was not both.

FIGHTMASTER: This - I actually hate this show. And I hate...

(LAUGHTER)

COULTON: OK. That's fair.

FIGHTMASTER: ...And I'm not really vibing with anybody that I'm looking at on this show, so...

COULTON: And more specifically, this was a drag queen celebrity look-alike competition.

ADEFOPE: Oh, yeah. I did hear about that.

FIGHTMASTER: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, that one.

COULTON: She was out Dolly Partoned (ph) by somebody.

EISENBERG: Right.

COULTON: Which is fantastic.

EISENBERG: Is it problematic that I want to see a Dalai Lama drag competition? Is that problematic to say?

FIGHTMASTER: No, I think it would be problematic to be like, I don't want to see that at all.

ADEFOPE: Yeah, yeah.

(CROSSTALK)

FIGHTMASTER: Yeah, like, if that was something he wanted to host, I would - and you were like, no...

COULTON: Absolutely.

FIGHTMASTER: ...Actually, I have to....

ADEFOPE: Yeah. Or he didn't even bring it up and you're just like, I don't want to see that.

EISENBERG: All right. You both did great.

FIGHTMASTER: No, Lolly did.

EISENBERG: You both did fantastic. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.